about us

Ways & Means is a small radio show about surprising successes and spectacular failures in the art of creating successful neighborhoods, cities, states and countries.

We are a show for people curious about the sprawling human laboratory we call democracy, who want to know how things really work, and why the most glamorous ideas about improving human society sometimes fail.

The show is produced by the Sanford School of Public Policy at Duke University.


Host Emily Hanford is a senior correspondent covering education for APM Reports (formerly American RadioWorks), the documentary and investigative reporting unit of American Public Media. Emily has worked in public media for more than two decades as a reporter, producer, editor and program host.


Carol Jackson is the digital communications strategist at the Sanford School of Public Policy. Previously, Carol spent many years with the public radio show The Story with Dick Gordon, where she served as Managing Editor and interim Senior Producer. Carol is also an on-air contributor to NC Now on UNC-TV (PBS).


Alison Jones is an award winning writer and independent producer. Her work has been featured on All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Her radio documentary “Mine Enemy: The Story of German POWs in America” aired nationally on public radio stations in 2014. A former staff writer for the Raleigh News & Observer, Alison has also reported on the Carolinas for Time Magazine.


Karen Kemp is assistant dean for communications for the Sanford School. Karen was a newspaper reporter and editor in three states and Washington, D.C., before leading the communications team that opened the new N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences in Raleigh, N.C.


Katherine M. Zhou created our website design, logo and episode art. 


Our assistant producer is Joel Luther.